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or taxes might be taxed. and there is a principle involved. is there a principle or bloody minded news. we shall not pay anymore taxes ever. >> at some point there is just too much tax. we are a long way from that. let's look at earned income tax. they are lower now. all president obama is doing is saying let's go from 35% to 39.6% the same as it was under president clinton the economy did very well and it is more than just a drop in the bucket. just raising rates on people making over $250,000 would be a trillion dollar over the next ten years. >> $1 trillion is not to be sniffed at. some broke with the leadership and urged his party to extend the tax cuts to ensure that their taxes don't go up. he has a point there. who cares. >> sure, there is a point in there, i might dispute the numbers. i would argue, as the members of my party, that we have a spending problem as opposed to a revenue problem to my friend steve's remark about the clinton tax rates that sounds great to go back to 39%. but, actually, those
or taxes might be taxed. and there is a principle involved. is there a principle or bloody minded news. we shall not pay anymore taxes ever. >> at some point there is just too much tax. we are a long way from that. let's look at earned income tax. they are lower now. all president obama is doing is saying let's go from 35% to 39.6% the same as it was under president clinton the economy did very well and it is more than just a drop in the bucket. just raising rates on people making over...
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i think it is a mistake, if it is bad to raise taxes on everybody, it is also bad to raise taxes on 40% of the income. better to leave it in the hands of the people who earned it, leave it in kentucky, and the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise taxes on rich, middle class, or anyone. but what about capping deductions, loopholes, stuff like that, are you open to that? >> yes, if it is part of tax reform. and that is why it is not going to happen in this. if we were to lower rates, for example, you could lower the top rate from 35 to 33 and actually get more revenue and get rid of some more deductions at the same time. but i'm not going to vote to bring more revenue to washington. i want less money coming to washington, less money spent up here. and that is how you get the economy to grow. we're not going to have more economic growth. if we send more money to washington, we'll have less economic growth. >> if all the republicans hold firm to that position, you just spelled out in significant detail, there is not going to be a deal, you know, between now and december 3
i think it is a mistake, if it is bad to raise taxes on everybody, it is also bad to raise taxes on 40% of the income. better to leave it in the hands of the people who earned it, leave it in kentucky, and the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise taxes on rich, middle class, or anyone. but what about capping deductions, loopholes, stuff like that, are you open to that? >> yes, if it is part of tax reform. and that is why it is not going to happen in this. if we...
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tax rates. >> keeping them honest. president obama campaigned and won. so his victory throws cold water on that claim. democrats gained seats in the senate and on the house. more than two in three people support tax hikes for the wealthy. it is something that republicans will be grapling with from now until new year's day. >> thank you. >> your proposal that republican lawmakers should agree with democrats should extend tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less later that is an idea that a lot of republicans are reki resisting. what kind of push back are you getting? >> i think some have more questions about it. i don't believe in raising tax rates on anybody. by slowing down growth cuts revenue. i think the president need to come to the table with real entitlement reform. if we agree that taxes should pt go up on 98% of the people? shoundn't we set that aside now? i think we'll win the argument on the other areas. putting people at risk. is something that we shouldn't do. >> speaker boehner sa
tax rates. >> keeping them honest. president obama campaigned and won. so his victory throws cold water on that claim. democrats gained seats in the senate and on the house. more than two in three people support tax hikes for the wealthy. it is something that republicans will be grapling with from now until new year's day. >> thank you. >> your proposal that republican lawmakers should agree with democrats should extend tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less later that is...
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they say, let's tax somebody else. if those taxes are going to small businesses creating jobs, we need to bet more people working. the other poll said people believe if they send more in taxes the government will spend it, much of it will be wasted and the dollar figures are so large it's hard to fathom the debt we have. it's $16 trillion. it's an incredible amount. we have added another trillion dollars in just the last year. we need to get spending under control. >> senator, you're talking about the importance to business tax rates. one guy who presumably knows something about business is the goldman sachs ceo. he met with president obama yesterday. then he went to talk with wolf blitzer who asked if he would support the president's plan of bringing the rates back up on the wealthiest americans. let's listen. >> if that's what it took to make the math work i wouldn't preclude that if the numbers drive that way. >> he says maybe a tax rate increase should be part of a deal. can't it be part of a deal? not the whole de
they say, let's tax somebody else. if those taxes are going to small businesses creating jobs, we need to bet more people working. the other poll said people believe if they send more in taxes the government will spend it, much of it will be wasted and the dollar figures are so large it's hard to fathom the debt we have. it's $16 trillion. it's an incredible amount. we have added another trillion dollars in just the last year. we need to get spending under control. >> senator, you're...
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we don't like to tax two or three times, which dividends or other taxes might be taxed. so too small. and there is a principle involved. >> steven ratner, is there a principle, or just bloody mindedness by republicans, led by grover norquist, we shall not pay anymore taxes ever? >> at some point, there are too many taxes, but we're a long away from that. let's just look at earned taxes, lower than they were under president clinton put in place ten years ago. and all president obama is saying let's go from 35% to the top earners, to 39.6%, same as it was under president clinton, the economy did well. it is more than just a drop in the bucket. just raising rates on people making over 250,000, would be a trillion deficit -- >> a trillion dollars, henry, is nothing to be sniffed at. some urged the party to extend the bush-era tax cuts, for the households that earn less than $250,000, to insure the taxes don't go up. who cares anyway? >> sure, there is a point in there. i might dispute the numbers. i would argue as the members of my party, i would argue that we have a spendin
we don't like to tax two or three times, which dividends or other taxes might be taxed. so too small. and there is a principle involved. >> steven ratner, is there a principle, or just bloody mindedness by republicans, led by grover norquist, we shall not pay anymore taxes ever? >> at some point, there are too many taxes, but we're a long away from that. let's just look at earned taxes, lower than they were under president clinton put in place ten years ago. and all president obama...
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top 1% pay almost half of the income tax. when the president says it's bad to raise taxes on everyone, that would be taxmageddon, then says i want to raise it on 40% of the nation's income. i think that is a big mistake. it is better to leave the money in the hands of those who earned it. leave it in the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise the tax rates on anyone rich or anyone. what about capping deductions, eliminating loopholes, stuff like that. are you open to that? >> yes, if it is for tax reform. if we were to lower rates. for example, i think you could lower the top rate from 35 to 33 and get more revenue and get rid of some deductions at the same time. but i'm not going to vote to bring more revenue to washington. i want less money coming to washington, less money spent up here. that's how you get the my to grow. we're not going to have more economic growth if we send more money to washington. we'll have less economic growth. >> if all the republicans hold firm to that position you just spelled out
top 1% pay almost half of the income tax. when the president says it's bad to raise taxes on everyone, that would be taxmageddon, then says i want to raise it on 40% of the nation's income. i think that is a big mistake. it is better to leave the money in the hands of those who earned it. leave it in the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise the tax rates on anyone rich or anyone. what about capping deductions, eliminating loopholes, stuff like that. are you open to...
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we are talking about reforming the tax code, raisinging tax rates. that's the only thing i say that i absolutely will not do. 258 members of congress, republicans all, have taken the pledge. only six are waffling. we're standing strong on that point. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. in 2002 -- and i was running in a tough primary and those folks back in marietta, georgia, said, phil, are you going to take the grover norquist, americans for tax reform pledge. i said, yes, i will take it. many would have voted for my opponent. that plenl, i honor that. it's a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. >> all right. you say your constituents don't want you to raise taxes on the rich. let me show you what an abc/washington post poll shows. 60% would support raising taxes on incomes over $250,000 per year. you wouldn't do that? >> i understand that their perc
we are talking about reforming the tax code, raisinging tax rates. that's the only thing i say that i absolutely will not do. 258 members of congress, republicans all, have taken the pledge. only six are waffling. we're standing strong on that point. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely....
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taxes going up. taxes going up on the affordable care act. billions of dollars of taxes and fees. what's the four-year view look like? what's the plan look like? so let's look at the numbers. how much do we get from deductions? how much do we get from expenditures? how much more do we need? how much does obama care add? what is our growth rate? you know, we don't have a plan. >> yeah. >> and we're throwing these dollar numbers around like if they were nothing. >> i spoke with james clyburn, representative clyburn last hour, about the notion of raising tax rates on the wealthy and not where the president wants them. he said i want it higher. take a listen and then talk about it. >> we know where the president is. and that is 250,000. but there are a lot of democrats who voiced back before the campaign 500,000. some say even a million. all of that's going to be negotiated. the president wants 250. if mr. boehner wants to come and offer something different, i'm sure he'll do that but the president stands at 250. which is below even where i was but he won the election. >> do you think
taxes going up. taxes going up on the affordable care act. billions of dollars of taxes and fees. what's the four-year view look like? what's the plan look like? so let's look at the numbers. how much do we get from deductions? how much do we get from expenditures? how much more do we need? how much does obama care add? what is our growth rate? you know, we don't have a plan. >> yeah. >> and we're throwing these dollar numbers around like if they were nothing. >> i spoke with...
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no tax increases at all. continue the tax break but the wealthiest 2% will have to help us deal with the deficit. >> as always, senator, you make your case very passionately. i want to play you a bit of sound from the white house senior adviser david plouffe in talking about how to resolve the fiscal cliff crisis. listen to this. >> we also need to engage in entitlement reform. medicare, medicaid carefully. these are cheap drivers of our deficit. we made progress with obama care. there's more we need to do. >> we need to engage and the white house is acknowledging this. do you not go along with the president? >> yes, sometimes i disagree with the president. >> yes, that is true. >> but if we are talking about making medicare more efficient, lowering the cost of prescription drugs to medicare, that's a reform along with their other reforms. >> how about this reform, raising the eligibility for medicare from 65 to 67 over several years? >> no. >> why not? >> why not? because there are working people out there w
no tax increases at all. continue the tax break but the wealthiest 2% will have to help us deal with the deficit. >> as always, senator, you make your case very passionately. i want to play you a bit of sound from the white house senior adviser david plouffe in talking about how to resolve the fiscal cliff crisis. listen to this. >> we also need to engage in entitlement reform. medicare, medicaid carefully. these are cheap drivers of our deficit. we made progress with obama care....
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we cannot tax our way back to budget surpluses and economic prosperity. without major spending cuts and entitlement reform, we will continue running huge deficits regardless of what we do on the revenue side. for every dollar of revenue you give him, he'll give you $2.50 of spending cuts. if he gave you that on spending cuts, it would be $850 billon a year would you do that? >> the president has said a lot of things, but what counts is what he's willing to put on the table and so far, he hasn't put medicare and social security, saving and preserving those entitlement programs on the table. i believe they have to be, because if we're going to preserve those for future generations, we need to do something meaningful on those. the problem is, erin, if we just do cuts in temporary spending, those can easily be undone. we know there's been a lot of promises made in exchange for tax increases and it never comes to pass when it comes to spending cuts. >> there was a "washington post" poll which said raise taxes on incomes over $250,000 a year, 60% support it. wh
we cannot tax our way back to budget surpluses and economic prosperity. without major spending cuts and entitlement reform, we will continue running huge deficits regardless of what we do on the revenue side. for every dollar of revenue you give him, he'll give you $2.50 of spending cuts. if he gave you that on spending cuts, it would be $850 billon a year would you do that? >> the president has said a lot of things, but what counts is what he's willing to put on the table and so far, he...
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to give a balanced plan, republicans have to cut taxes. >> he said i put revenue on the table. but he wouldn't talk about the rates. >> also when asked about these specific entitlement reforms, he didn't talk about those either. we need to see some substance behind that. >> did you hear level ground where that can be forged? i don't know the difference between talking about stuff and putting it on the table. it seems like senator cornyn sees some difference there. i don't really get it. the hole is not as big as he says it is. we're not going into the hole with a trillion dollar deficit every year, because we're going to grow every year and collect more revenue. and we also see some of these stimulus programs narrowing down a little bit so the hole's not that big and there seems to be more common ground that the senator admits. >> we hope you're right. >> in previous negotiations, it's been put forward but everyone's got to push forward. >> it's easy to race taxes on one group, at of people agree with that, but the bottom line is those entitlement cuts are going to be a lot mor
to give a balanced plan, republicans have to cut taxes. >> he said i put revenue on the table. but he wouldn't talk about the rates. >> also when asked about these specific entitlement reforms, he didn't talk about those either. we need to see some substance behind that. >> did you hear level ground where that can be forged? i don't know the difference between talking about stuff and putting it on the table. it seems like senator cornyn sees some difference there. i don't...
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setting up a process for entitlement reform next year, and tax reform next year. but this was way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we have. [ inaudible question ] going over the fiscal cliff, you called serious business, extending the lower tax rates -- [ inaudible question ] >> i'm going to do everything i can to avoid putting the american economy, the american people through the fiasco of going over the fiscal cliff. >> which is worse for the economy? [ inaudible question ] could you include a debt limit that is in the overall package? >> as i told the president a couple weeks ago, there's a lot of things i've wanted in my life, but almost all of them had a price tag attached to them. and if we're going to talk about the debt limit in this, then we're -- there's going to be some price tag associated with it. >> last question. >> are you standing by your dollar for dollar -- the increase in the debt limit for cuts? >> are i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be
setting up a process for entitlement reform next year, and tax reform next year. but this was way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we have. [ inaudible question ] going over the fiscal cliff, you called serious business, extending the lower tax rates -- [ inaudible question ] >> i'm going to do everything i can to avoid putting the american economy, the american people through the fiasco of going over the fiscal...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. side by side so you get the same coverage, often for less. that's one smart board. what else does it do, reverse gravity? [ laughs ] [ laughs ] [ whooshing ] tell me about it. why am i not going anywhere? you don't believe hard enough. a smarter way to shop around. now that's progressive. call or click today. [ grunting ] >> breaking news our boston here. two trolleys that have collided. we're just getting information and details now. six people are injured. 20 are being evacuated for potential injuries. this is video of the scene here. this in the area of park and tremont. my old stomping grounds. went to college in the boston yar. the transportation authority saying that this took
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. side by side so you get the same coverage, often for less. that's one smart board. what else...
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those bush era tax cuts should not extend for them. republicans believing that all americans should benefit from those tax cuts, and that now you should put en titlements on the table. of as we see, the officials from the white house going up to capitol hill today, treasury secretary timothy geithner, to try to hammer out some deals. still, both sides far apart. >> well, i want to talk about that a little bit. there was an article on politico.com this morning that said the two sides are farther along with a deal than we know. and that all of this stuff that you're hearing out in the public view is just posturing. what are you hearing, dan? >> reporter: well, you know, we certainly -- i think everyone hopes so, that they are closer to a teal. what you're hearing is some people are optimistic, including the president, saying he's optimistic this can get done, even before christmas. but then you have others stepping up saying both sides are far apart, and very pessimistic this can get done. as i stated, there's still some very strong view
those bush era tax cuts should not extend for them. republicans believing that all americans should benefit from those tax cuts, and that now you should put en titlements on the table. of as we see, the officials from the white house going up to capitol hill today, treasury secretary timothy geithner, to try to hammer out some deals. still, both sides far apart. >> well, i want to talk about that a little bit. there was an article on politico.com this morning that said the two sides are...